Navigating Graduate School in Counseling: Faith, Internships, and Choosing a Master’s or a PhD
In this episode of the podcast, host Dustin Oliver talks with counselor-in-training Bailey McFadden about the real experiences of pursuing a career in mental health. They reflect on their journeys from undergraduate psychology to graduate-level counseling, share insights from their internships, and discuss how personal values—like faith and community—can shape the educational path. A central theme of the episode is the decision to pursue a master’s degree over a PhD and the practical and personal reasons behind that choice.
Who This Episode Is For
This episode is especially relevant for:
Undergrad psychology students exploring career paths in counseling or mental health
Prospective counseling students weighing master’s vs. PhD programs
Graduate students navigating faith-based or secular counseling programs
Early-career counselors seeking internship guidance and support
Christian counseling students interested in faith integration within therapy
Anyone feeling unsure about the next step in their psychology or counseling journey
Why We Chose Master’s Degrees Over PhDs
One of the most relatable parts of this episode is the honest discussion around choosing a master’s program instead of pursuing a doctorate. Bailey and Dustin both share how they navigated expectations in the field, personal goals, and the realities of what a PhD would require. From student debt concerns to the desire for more immediate clinical work, they break down the pros and cons of both paths—and why a master’s degree made the most sense for them.
Faith Integration in Counseling Education
Faith and spirituality are deeply personal—and they can influence educational and professional choices in major ways. Dustin asks Bailey about what it means to attend a faith-integrated counseling program, how spiritual identity shows up in clinical work, and why clarity around a program’s stance on religion is essential for prospective students.
Internship Experiences: Finding the Right Fit
Internships are where theory meets practice, and Bailey shares key takeaways from her own placement. The conversation explores what makes an internship a good fit, how to navigate challenges in the field, and how to balance learning with self-care. If you're looking ahead to clinical hours, this episode offers real-world advice that’s both grounding and encouraging.
The Power of Peer Support
Graduate school can feel isolating—but it doesn’t have to. Dustin and Bailey highlight the role of peer connection and support systems, both in academic settings and in personal growth. Their stories remind us that vulnerability, community, and honest conversation can be just as therapeutic as formal training.
